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It's worse than that, of course. XSLT removal breaks quite a few government and regulatory sites: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/11582

comment by troupo · 2025-08-20 · in "Remove mentions of XSLT from the html spec"

…Github said it would. Glad to see the disdain for the actual users of their software remains. [1] https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/2894 [2] https://www.theregister.com/2021/08/05/google_chrome_iframe/ (FWIW I agree alert and XSLT are…

comment by veeti · 2025-08-20 · in "Remove mentions of XSLT from the html spec"

…at google are aware of the rss feed usage. No. No they aren't. As you can see in the discussion: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/11523 where the engineer who proposed this literally updates his "analysis" as people point out use…

comment by troupo · 2025-08-20 · in "Remove mentions of XSLT from the html spec"

…they want to do? Oh. Speaking, of "not just Google". The question was raised in this meeting: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/11146#issuecomment-275... Guess what. --- start quote --- dan: even if the data were accurate, not enough…

comment by troupo · 2025-08-20 · in "Remove mentions of XSLT from the html spec"

…So let me get this straight. The Congress example is legit. Multiple other cases discussed here: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/11523 are legit And yet it's not the Googlers and other browser implementers who didn't do even a…

comment by troupo · 2025-08-20 · in "Remove mentions of XSLT from the html spec"

This came up in some of the comments: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/11523#issuecomment-315... if you click the links instead of copy/pasting into your reader you get a page full of raw XML. It's not harmful or anything but it's not…

comment by passivegains · 2025-08-20 · in "Remove mentions of XSLT from the html spec"

…version numbers if there is no future and no past anyway?) https://whatwg.org/faq#living-standard https://github.com/whatwg/html/blob/main/FAQ.md#html-standar...

comment by xg15 · 2025-08-19 · in "Remove mentions of XSLT from the html spec"

…why removal would still hurt existing sites and applications, especially for embedded devices. https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/11563#issuecomment-31970...

comment by moritzwarhier · 2025-08-19 · in "Remove mentions of XSLT from the html spec"

I think this post is useful where the thread author proposed some solutions to the people affected: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/11523#issuecomment-318... The main thing that seems unaddressed is the UX if a user opens a direct…

comment by xg15 · 2025-08-19 · in "Remove mentions of XSLT from the html spec"

Also, https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/11523 (Should we remove XSLT from the web platform?) is not a request for community feedback. It's an issue open on the HTML spec for the HTML spec maintainers to consider. It was opened by a…

comment by spankalee · 2025-08-19 · in "Remove mentions of XSLT from the html spec"

…and it seems like they are trying to kill it before they have an open competitor in the web. https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/11523

comment by BoiledCabbage · 2025-08-19 · in "Remove mentions of XSLT from the html spec"

…browser vendor is supportive and the issue was actually raised by Mozilla? See the agenda here: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/11131#issuecomment-274...

comment by spankalee · 2025-08-19 · in "Remove mentions of XSLT from the html spec"

A few things to note: - This isn't Chrome doing this unilaterally. https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/11523 shows that representatives from every browser are supportive and there have been discussions about this in standards meetings:…

comment by spankalee · 2025-08-19 · in "Remove mentions of XSLT from the html spec"

WebKit's in favor: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/11523#issuecomment-314...

comment by ameliaquining · 2025-08-19 · in "Remove mentions of XSLT from the html spec"

…they opened to "gather community feedback" just three weeks ago. That one did get heated: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/11523 Google ignored everything, pushed on with the removal, and now pre-emptively closed this discussion, too

comment by troupo · 2025-08-19 · in "Remove mentions of XSLT from the html spec"

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story by troupo · 2025-08-19 · 535 comments

Despite rather heated discussion just three weeks they started just two weeks prior https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/11523

comment by troupo · 2025-08-19 · in "Remove mentions of XSLT from the html spec"

…people who actually made the web happen (Smaug, Anne, Emilo, etc…) The vast majority of comments on https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/11523 are polite and respectful. Also, "Smaug, Anne, Emilo" did not "make the web happen." They have…

comment by dev0001 · 2025-08-15 · in Should we remove XSLT from the web platform?

From the GitHub thread ( https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/11523#issuecomment-315... ) > I don't think there's a strong "Open Web" argument to be made here. XML data files being able to be reformatted into HTML is somewhat of an…

comment by dev0001 · 2025-08-15 · in Should we remove XSLT from the web platform?

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story by edent · 2025-08-15 · 96 comments

…pending an implementation. [1]: https://developer.chrome.com/blog/a-customizable-select [2]: https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/10548

comment by webstrand · 2025-06-23 · in Scroll snapping, state queries, monster hunter, and gamification

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story by jacobr · 2025-06-01 · 1 comment

We know why HTML alone can't do includes! In https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/2791 the standards committee discussed this. The issue has been open for years. The first naysayer was @dominic: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/2791#i…

comment by dfabulich · 2025-05-04 · in Why can't HTML alone do includes?

…in a specific place of the document. HTML Imports could not do this without JavaScript. See https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/2791#issuecomment-3112... for details.

comment by uallo · 2025-05-03 · in Why can't HTML alone do includes?

…(also mentioned in the comment section of the blog post): Client side include feature for HTML https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/2791

comment by uallo · 2025-05-03 · in Why can't HTML alone do includes?

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Do Not Train" Meta Tags: The Robots.txt of AI – Will Anyone Respect Them?

story by alissa_v · 2025-04-25 · 7 comments

Native EventSource doesn’t let you set headers ([issue]( https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/2177 )), so it’s harder to handle authentication.

comment by rodorgas · 2025-04-12 · in You might not need WebSockets

They do if you include <meta name="color-scheme" content="light dark"> Also see https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/5426

comment by zcorpan · 2025-04-11 · in Default styles for h1 elements are changing

There's a new proposal to address this: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/5033

comment by zcorpan · 2025-04-11 · in Default styles for h1 elements are changing

It has been in the spec since 2009: https://github.com/whatwg/html/commit/0ed655652d52f0ab068fcb...

comment by zcorpan · 2025-04-11 · in Default styles for h1 elements are changing

…have analyzed impact of affected pages in the HTTP Archive dataset (about 12,000,000 pages), twice: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/7867#issuecomment-1977... https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/7867#issuecomment-2595... The next…

comment by zcorpan · 2025-04-11 · in Default styles for h1 elements are changing

…JavaScript, but command/commandfor handles this and was recently added to the HTML specification: https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/9841

comment by JimDabell · 2025-03-31 · in The <select> element can now be customized with CSS

…was to add "max-height:stretch", "max-width:stretch". You can see the discussion for this here: https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/5936#discussion_r5136422... The problem is that no browser had (and still has) shipped the "stretch"…

comment by bfgeek · 2025-03-16 · in Styling an HTML dialog modal to take the full height of the viewport

Look at the actual commit. https://github.com/whatwg/html/commit/85effead0a5df3742ebe29... A document of this size will have typos, require clarification, get reorganized. It didn’t fundamentally change here.

comment by ceejayoz · 2025-03-16 · in Styling an HTML dialog modal to take the full height of the viewport

…I believe is the first to come out of it. https://developer.chrome.com/blog/rfc-customizable-select https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/9799

comment by madeofpalk · 2025-03-12 · in Open-UI: Maintain an open standard for UI and promote its adherence and adoption

Doesn't appear to be. https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/9841 https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/9625 Seems to have been in the works since 2023, out in the open, with support from all major browser engines.

comment by jdiff · 2025-03-07 · in Introducing command And commandfor In HTML

…object. Targeting _new does not do this unless you explicity add the rel="noopener" yourself. https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/4078 https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Attributes...

comment by shkkmo · 2025-02-24 · in Why does target="_blank" have an underscore in front? (2024)

Agreed! There is a proposal for something like that in the WHATWG repo: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/8538

comment by jonathanhefner · 2025-02-24 · in Why does target="_blank" have an underscore in front? (2024)

…link text though; of all people Google employees should be cognizant of link accessibility). [0]: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/9799

comment by matt_kantor · 2025-02-20 · in Customizable HTML Select

…still called XHTML, it eventually retired the XHTML name due in part to confusion with XHTML 1 < https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/2062 >. And so what we have instead is XML syntax for HTML (arguably also a tad misleading due to…

comment by chrismorgan · 2025-02-08 · in HTML whitespace is broken (2024)

…blockified - BFCs solve a separate, similarly hairy issue (floats & margin collapsing.)) [0]: https://github.com/whatwg/html/blob/main/FAQ.md#html-should-...

comment by shiomiru · 2025-02-07 · in HTML whitespace is broken (2024)

The issues were fixed actually. https://github.com/whatwg/html/wiki/dialog--initial-focus,-a... https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/8199

comment by chrishtr · 2024-12-06 · in <dialog>: The Dialog Element

…that <dialog> should be removed from the platform because it's a bad API with multiple issues? https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/4184#issuecomment-440405...

comment by troupo · 2024-12-06 · in <dialog>: The Dialog Element

…completely. Reason? No consensus on multiple issues relating to accessibility and security: https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/4184#issuecomment-440405... And then boom! It was shipped everywhere with none of the issues discussed or…

comment by troupo · 2024-12-06 · in <dialog>: The Dialog Element

https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/3577#issuecomment-2329... and the links inside appear to imply there's interest?

comment by aragilar · 2024-10-29 · in Platform Strategy and Its Discontents

…Do you have a draft spec available? Edit: Found a link to the Chrome blog which in turn links to https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/9799 Initial question remains however, how are we to properly distinguish the user interface actions?

comment by Y-bar · 2024-10-22 · in How should the new <selectedoption> element work?

…change! Jokes aside, you can participate in the discussion yourself here: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/10520 But be warned, you will probably not be able to convince people with just "Please, just no!". > I get the sense th

comment by diggan · 2024-10-22 · in How should the new <selectedoption> element work?

…but the work is a bit stalled. https://www.stefanjudis.com/today-i-learned/safari-allows-to... https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/3518 Another cool feature Apple spearheaded was the ability for websites to indicate the change password…

comment by realityking · 2024-10-18 · in Apple Passwords’ generated strong password format

…no one else picked up, so it was removed. Now it’s the last mover. https://caniuse.com/style-scoped https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/552

comment by oefrha · 2024-10-14 · in Inline Scope for CSS

…addresses as a binary format. You aren't even allowed to do NFC / NFD / NFKC etc normalization. https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/4562#issuecomment-2096... Unicode has some standards which are slightly better, but they're only for…

comment by collinmanderson · 2024-10-12 · in The Copenhagen Book: general guideline on implementing auth in web applications