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Oils is our upgrade path from bash to a better language and runtime. It's also for Python and JavaScript users who avoid shell!

225 mentions on Hacker News by 35 people: 15 stories, 210 comments · first 2016-11-26 · latest 2025-11-06

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  1. …Java, etc. I have done this with a bunch of HTML processors for the Oil blog and doc toolchain: https://github.com/oilshell/oil/tree/master/doctools It works well in practice and is correct and fast. Big caveat: this style is only for HTML…
    comment by chubot · 2021-03-05 · in You can't parse [X]HTML with regex (2009)
  2. …about terminals to judge how feasible or easy it is, but if anyone does, please chime in here: https://github.com/oilshell/oil/issues/908
    comment by chubot · 2021-02-27 · in Alternative shell with native support for JSON, YAML, TOML, CSV, etc.
  3. I just added a note at the top that embedded DSLs go here :) https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/Internal-DSLs-for-Shell Rash is already there -- feel free to make the link/description more accurate, and add janet-sh, etc.
    comment by chubot · 2021-02-13 · in Alternative Shells
  4. …maybe hack on the code too :) There is some nacsent / working code out there, linked in this issue. https://github.com/oilshell/oil/issues/738 I also created this #shell-gui Zulip channel in December: https://oilshell.zulipchat.com/#narrow/…
    comment by chubot · 2021-02-13 · in Alternative Shells
  5. It's on the sister page linked at the top, because it's embedded in Scala: https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/Internal-DSLs-for-Shell Feel free to fix up the link/description to be more useful/accurate.
    comment by chubot · 2021-02-13 · in Alternative Shells
  6. It's on the sister page linked at the top, because it's embedded in Elisp AFAIK: https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/Internal-DSLs-for-Shell
    comment by chubot · 2021-02-13 · in Alternative Shells
  7. …stuff! >"Although I think richer pipelines make sense, structured data will probably come first: https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/Structured-Data-in-Oil " Looks like you've been doing your homework! <g>
    comment by peter_d_sherman · 2021-01-29 · in Why Create a New Unix Shell?
  8. …-n } ----- Although I think richer pipelines make sense, structured data will probably come first: https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/Structured-Data-in-Oil
    comment by chubot · 2021-01-28 · in Why Create a New Unix Shell?
  9. Yes there are some ideas discussed here: https://github.com/oilshell/oil/issues/738 I would call the 2 possible solutions an API or IPC, and what you're describing is basically IPC. The devil is in the details though... I'm interested in a…
    comment by chubot · 2021-01-28 · in Why Create a New Unix Shell?
  10. …become clearer, and progress can be made on top. Some notes here about interactive shell ideas: https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/Interactive-Shell Some people might think Oil is sort of a text-only or retro project ... but it really…
    comment by chubot · 2021-01-27 · in Why Create a New Unix Shell?
  11. …a big deal and the runtime is solid now so they can be enhanced. Ideas here, feel free to chime in: https://github.com/oilshell/oil/issues/843 :)
    comment by chubot · 2021-01-27 · in Why Create a New Unix Shell?
  12. …own mechanism for expressing duplication that's not the equivalent of a 70's-style #include. [1] https://github.com/oilshell/oil/blob/master/.travis.yml [2] http://www.oilshell.org/blog/2019/02/07.html
    comment by chubot · 2020-12-20 · in Back to the '70s with Serverless
  13. …I changed my own configs to use .yml.in and .yml and it worked on both Travis CI and sourcehut. https://github.com/oilshell/oil/tree/master/.builds Some brainstorming here on this feature: https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/Config-Dialect…
    comment by chubot · 2020-12-13 · in Become Shell Literate
  14. …using jq for the first time. I used this to easily make a blog post out of a long Zulip thread [1] https://github.com/oilshell/oil/blob/master/services/zulip.s... (oops some tabs snuck in here) Figuring out how to use uftrace (and…
    comment by chubot · 2020-12-12 · in Become Shell Literate
  15. …a slightly tighter but improved abstraction that runs on multiple cloud services. Notes on gg here: https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/Distributed-Shell If anyone wants to help, get in touch! If you are pissed off about Travis then you…
    comment by chubot · 2020-12-08 · in Travis CI is no longer providing CI minutes for open source projects
  16. …some experiments in that area here (and anyone should feel free to add more, including their own): https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/Interactive-Shell Many of the articles have nice screenshots / animations to give you a feel for what…
    comment by chubot · 2020-12-04 · in A terminal-based workflow for research, writing, and programming
  17. …QSN is fully implemented, but QTSV isn't done yet. Proposal here: https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/TSV2-Proposal However the latest Oil release actually does emit QTSV! The "pp" builtin (for pretty-print) will print a QT
    comment by chubot · 2020-11-08 · in CSVs: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
  18. Is this shell actually written in python2 in the year 2020? (see: https://github.com/oilshell/oil/tree/master/Python-2.7.13 )
    comment by mariuolo · 2020-10-24 · in Four features that justify a new Unix shell
  19. …A QSN decoder is very easy to write. For example, here's a ~6 line regex that validates all of QSN: https://github.com/oilshell/oil/blob/master/qsn_/qsn.py#L498 True, you need like ~20 lines of code to decode it, but that's very easy too.…
    comment by chubot · 2020-10-24 · in Four features that justify a new Unix shell
  20. I actually considered that, but it doesn't work. https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/Shell-Almost-Has-a-JSON... Single quoted strings in shell can't represent arbitrary strings either. And the %q format is actually different from the…
    comment by chubot · 2020-10-24 · in Four features that justify a new Unix shell
  21. …in the Oil repo. There are dozens of shell scripts that invoke custom tools in Python, R, and C++. https://github.com/oilshell/oil/tree/master/benchmarks For example, to generate this report on how much we speed up Python by translating it…
    comment by chubot · 2020-10-24 · in Four features that justify a new Unix shell
  22. …from a contributor (that has languished -- I need help!) Let's discuss on the issue if interested: https://github.com/oilshell/oil/issues/843 Oil is easy to prototype (it's just Python code), so anyone who wants to make this feature their…
    comment by chubot · 2020-10-23 · in Four features that justify a new Unix shell
  23. …|| true Or this if I don't need to run with bash anymore: shopt --set oil:basic Example: https://github.com/oilshell/oil/blob/master/test/spec.sh#L9 docs in progress: https://www.oilshell.org/release/0.8.3/doc/oil-options.html Having the…
    comment by chubot · 2020-10-23 · in Four features that justify a new Unix shell
  24. Yes, I would like for that to happen: Shell as an engine for TUI or GUI https://github.com/oilshell/oil/issues/738 C++ code should be embeddable in another program https://github.com/oilshell/oil/issues/822 I think you can already use bash…
    comment by chubot · 2020-10-23 · in Four features that justify a new Unix shell
  25. …modify/prototype, and then for the release it's translated into C++ for a 30-50x speedup [2]. https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/Contributing [1] https://lobste.rs/s/qfiki1/four_features_justify_new_unix_sh... [2]…
    comment by chubot · 2020-10-23 · in Four features that justify a new Unix shell
  26. …strict_errexit in Oil disallows that (a runtime assertion 100% of the time). Feedback is welcome! https://github.com/oilshell/oil/issues/709
    comment by chubot · 2020-10-11 · in Bash Error Handling
  27. …between the amount of fusing that can be done and how expressive the metalanguage is. --- related: https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/Compact-AST-Representat... (compiling programs that operate on trees to operate on packed…
    comment by chubot · 2020-10-10 · in A New Back End for Cranelift
  28. I'm working on fixing errexit / set -e in Oil: https://github.com/oilshell/oil/issues/709 Summary of problems: 1. The "if myfunc" problem -- error checking is skipped. This is specified by POSIX, but it's undesirable. 2. The f() { test -d…
    comment by chubot · 2020-10-10 · in Bash Error Handling
  29. https://github.com/shellcomp/shellcomp.github.io/blob/master... https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/Shellac-Protocol-Propos...
    comment by federico_c · 2020-10-08 · in Tools I use: argparse builder
  30. …with a new builtin that will address the deficiencies of getopt/getopts. You could help design it! https://github.com/oilshell/oil/issues/469
    comment by chubot · 2020-10-02 · in Bash code generator for command-line arguments
  31. …later. I'm still looking for help too: http://www.oilshell.org/blog/2019/12/09.html#help-wanted https://github.com/oilshell/oil/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aope... https://github.com/oilshell/oil/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aope...
    comment by chubot · 2020-09-29 · in New Features in the Fish Shell
  32. …Even though it cleans up many legacy warts, Oil runs thousands of lines of real bash programs: https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/Shell-Programs-That-Run... Posts on the interactive shell: https://www.oilshell.org/blog/tags.html?tag=inter…
    comment by chubot · 2020-09-29 · in New Features in the Fish Shell
  33. …and autoconf offer that, but mostly for different reasons.) This is a real problem that came up in: https://github.com/oilshell/oil/blob/master/Makefile I plan to switch to a generated Ninja script to solve some of these problems.
    comment by chubot · 2020-09-23 · in No script is too simple
  34. …Here's a random example -- some scripts to generate source code as part of the build process: https://github.com/oilshell/oil/blob/master/build/codegen.sh The paths are all hard-coded, which is a good thing. In my mind, the goal is to save…
    comment by chubot · 2020-09-22 · in No script is too simple
  35. …be less tied to the vagaries of bash. If anyone's script doesn't run under Oil, I'm interested. See https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/What-Is-Expected-to-Run...
    comment by chubot · 2020-09-19 · in Use long flags when scripting (2013)
  36. …out as a language. Yet people use it as one and write tens of thousands of lines of code in it. See https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/The-Biggest-Shell-Progr... and https://oilshell.org
    comment by chubot · 2020-09-14 · in Your Language Sucks, It Doesn’t Matter
  37. A link to some related fun & craziness, for people not too familiar with Oil: https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/The-Biggest-Shell-Progr...
    comment by akavel · 2020-09-09 · in Elvish is a friendly interactive shell and an expressive programming language
  38. …is / will be worth it. ----- There's an issue to run fzf, which was partially done last year: https://github.com/oilshell/oil/issues/322 I could use help looking into what remains there! And there are more such issues here:…
    comment by chubot · 2020-09-09 · in Elvish is a friendly interactive shell and an expressive programming language
  39. …the biggest shell scripts in the world. It's the shell that's most compatible with bash by a mile. https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/Shell-Programs-That-Run...
    comment by chubot · 2020-08-07 · in Crush: A command line shell that is also a powerful modern programming language
  40. …HTML, and CSV/TSV over pipes, and people do. There are many command line toolkits that do this. https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/Structured-Data-in-Oil However the shell is also missing few things which would help that approach, so I'd…
    comment by chubot · 2020-08-07 · in Crush: A command line shell that is also a powerful modern programming language
  41. …the biggest shell program in the world: http://www.oilshell.org/cross-ref.html?tag=ble.sh#ble.sh https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/The-Biggest-Shell-Progr... ---- I did add little hack in the lexer for autocompletion of partial input.…
    comment by chubot · 2020-07-29 · in The Regular Expression Visualizer, Simulator and Cross-Compiler Tool
  42. …and all its sublanguages without any nongreedy repetitions. It's dozens if not hundreds of regexes. https://github.com/oilshell/oil/blob/master/frontend/lexer_d... Though, regular languages are more like a building block for the lexer than…
    comment by chubot · 2020-07-29 · in The Regular Expression Visualizer, Simulator and Cross-Compiler Tool
  43. Oh interesting, I have been thinking about related things for Oil: Shell as an engine for TUI or GUI https://github.com/oilshell/oil/issues/738 That came out of a discussion with someone doing a really ambitious overhaul of terminals and…
    comment by chubot · 2020-06-15 · in Zsh and Fish’s simple but clever trick for highlighting missing linefeeds
  44. …provide an even simpler method that's built in (and it also has readlink builtin to support this) https://github.com/oilshell/oil/issues/587
    comment by chubot · 2020-05-22 · in Good coders borrow, great coders steal
  45. That's the point of Oil: https://github.com/oilshell/oil A new Unix shell. Our upgrade path from bash to a better language. It runs thousands of lines of existing shell scripts unmodified, but there's also a brand new language that will be…
    comment by chubot · 2020-05-21 · in Kiss Linux – A distribution with a focus on less is more
  46. I started down this path last year: https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/Shellac-Protocol-Propos... but cut it out of the Oil project (for the forseeable future). Right now Oil takes the approach of running existing bash completion…
    comment by chubot · 2020-05-21 · in OpenAutoComplete: Shell-agnostic, cross-platform autocomplete specification
  47. …also suffers from the problem where it doesn't list the commands. I filed a bug for Oil shell here: https://github.com/oilshell/oil/issues/751 I mentioned a couple other "frameworks" there like just, go, Taskfile, etc. But it should really…
    comment by chubot · 2020-05-15 · in Polyglot Makefiles
  48. …That's unfortunately an open problem. As I mentioned here, lexing is "solved" but parsing isn't: https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/Why-Lexing-and-Parsing-... Here are what some recent languages do: Go: Maintain a written spec [1], with…
    comment by chubot · 2020-05-03 · in The naked truth about writing a programming language (2014)
  49. …be parsed efficiently with particular algorithms. And some people reject CFG in favor of PEG, etc. https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/Parsing-Models-Cheatshe... ---- That is, the recursive grammar issue is not "settled". Whereas regular…
    comment by chubot · 2020-04-23 · in Incremental Regular Expressions (2012)
  50. …of Oil, so you can implement as a library in another language. I'm interested in help too: https://github.com/oilshell/oil/issues?q=eggex+label%3Aeggex One easy contribution is to to translate it back to PCRE syntax, because that's a very…
    comment by chubot · 2020-04-22 · in Incremental Regular Expressions (2012)